tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686354713190138224.post2794153015643712734..comments2023-10-12T00:07:25.722+13:00Comments on roarprawn: TE RUNANGA O NGAI TAHU APPEALS TO IWIUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686354713190138224.post-59366159950057615972009-03-13T11:56:00.000+13:002009-03-13T11:56:00.000+13:00Personally I am relieved that the Ngai Tahu whanui...Personally I am relieved that the Ngai Tahu whanui now no longer have to spend time polishing our halos!<BR/><BR/>It has been such a burden pretending that unlike the whole of the rest of humanity we are not prone to the same frailties within our ranks - leaders included. <BR/><BR/>Now that it is out in the open that we are just the same as everyone else in terms of not only having members who exhibit:<BR/><BR/>a) the highest ideals of service above self, honesty, integrity, altruism, respect for others, clarity of thought, exemplary work ethic, etc. etc. <BR/><BR/>but also <BR/>b) disloyalty, greed, self-interest, dishonesty, illogic, deviousness, hypocrisy, mis-respresentation of the facts to show ourselves in the best light, (plus the occasional criminal??) etc. etc., <BR/><BR/>c) A mix of both<BR/><BR/>perhaps we can get on with sorting out this current situation with a bit of the transparency and honesty that all sides have been calling for!<BR/><BR/>Of course, as with the rest of humankind, each according to their own lights will cast themselves as either a) or b) despite any evidence to the contrary ....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686354713190138224.post-82830207531128244142009-03-11T19:45:00.000+13:002009-03-11T19:45:00.000+13:00So I missed out the word representatives. I should...So I missed out the word representatives. I should have said Murihiku rūnanga representatives and all the rūnanga representatives south of the Waitaki. Mea culpa.<BR/><BR/>Of course, I am reasonably certain that anonymous knew what I was saying. I may have made an error of omission in terms of a word but I think my math was accurate.<BR/><BR/>I still feel the disparity between the remuneration of the Kaiwhakahaere and the Deputy relative to the other 16 representatives needs to be addressed no matter who occupies the positions.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous, I am glad that you took the time to respond. It is unfortunate that you don't feel brave enough to sign your name, however, I expect that you know me and therefore will know that I am <B>very</B> aware of the variety of ill-informed and sometimes downright ubtruthful comments that come the way of the representatives at the table of Te Rūnanga.<BR/><BR/>If you are able to point to errors of <B>fact</B> in my post, please do so. Matters of opinion, of course, are mine to have just as you are entitled to your opinions, of me, of the Kaiwhakahare or anything or anyone else.<BR/><BR/>That is one of the privileges of our democracy both within the iwi and within the nation.dommertAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686354713190138224.post-78644921735548591032009-03-11T15:43:00.000+13:002009-03-11T15:43:00.000+13:00I don't know Evelyn but she raised some fair point...I don't know Evelyn but she raised some fair points in a reasonable way. The last anonymous gets the great pleasure in dis'ing Evelyn while hiding behind 'no name'.<BR/><BR/>Her questions remain, why has the directive come from the Office and not the kaiwhakahaere? Personally doesn't bother me - they just ask lawyers anyway.<BR/><BR/>Who leaked what to whom? If we find this out there might be some flying pigs winging past the window.<BR/><BR/>Is the amount that the leaders of the Iwi are paid the appropriate amount? buggered if i know but it does seem reasonable. <BR/><BR/>Anonymous in reply asks why pick on Mark - there are possibly many non-Ngai Tahu earning more within the organisation... that's a very sad point - isn't it? Why the hell are they there taking money that could go to a Ngai Tahu families? And sorry i don't buy into "they are the best qualified" - that is just a lie.<BR/><BR/>As Kaiwhakahaere, of course Mark is going to be looked at - that's good. Personally I find some of the vitriol directed at him to be over the top but we are passionate people, so it all works out.<BR/><BR/>Like 90% of Ngai Tahu i won't be able to get to the marae this weekend so i will hear bugger all about the discussion - but thankfully we have Richards site and BB to keep us all up to date.Marty Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07434142404949696557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686354713190138224.post-92194675429721280322009-03-11T01:56:00.000+13:002009-03-11T01:56:00.000+13:00good job Evelyn has not been left in charge of the...good job Evelyn has not been left in charge of the tribal funds. she is an obvious candidate for the financial literacy program. <BR/><BR/>so Evelyn wants to know why the CEO communicates to Reps and not the Kaiwhakahaere on these matters - maybe it is because of the specialist nature of the advice.<BR/><BR/>Also Evelyn wants to know who leaked the TRUTH about the vote. was it more convenient to think that 7 people voted to keep Wally rather than the lonely two voices in the wilderness who actually did vote against the motion. the motivation for those who leaked the LIES is harder to understand than those who think the whanau deserve to know the truth. <BR/><BR/>as for Evelyn's mathmatical abilities - it is no secret that each of the runanga receives a modest amount over and above the salary of the Kaiwhakahaere on an annual basis. is it enough for the runanga? of course not. but it is not true to say that they get less than a quarter of Mark's salary. <BR/><BR/>if the point was that Mark is paid more than the other Reps, then damn right he is. They turn up 2 days a month for their base fee and Mark turns up 5 or 6 days a week for his. on that basis he is obviously underpaid. <BR/><BR/>if Evelyn took the time to look at the list of who is paid what in the annual report she would notice that there is a fair few of folks receiving a hell of a lot more. not likely that many (if any) are Ngai Tahu. why single out Mark?<BR/><BR/>we know what Mark gets paid and for what. unlike some who have been on the TR/HC gravy train of secret contracts and payouts over the past few years. if this was all added up it would buy a lot more marmite and cheese sammies than Mark's salary.<BR/><BR/>at the end of the day $155k seems low enough when you consider the crap he has to put up with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686354713190138224.post-51514659020597086282009-03-10T20:32:00.000+13:002009-03-10T20:32:00.000+13:00What the?a pakeha threatening iwi members with leg...What the?<BR/><BR/>a pakeha threatening iwi members with legal action for discusiing iwi business at their runanga. How bad do things have to get?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686354713190138224.post-62865716299532104962009-03-10T17:42:00.000+13:002009-03-10T17:42:00.000+13:00Firstly, shouldn't it be the Kaiwhakahaere who is ...Firstly, shouldn't it be the Kaiwhakahaere who is offering the various representatives advice and support on their interactions with their rūnanga not the Chief Executive Officer?<BR/><BR/>Secondly, when is there going to be closer scrutiny as to who has leaked the exact happenings at the Te Rūnanga meeting where Wally Stone was dismissed to the media, Mr Parata and Rana Edgarten? Surely someone has told them who was present during the voting. That would seem to eliminate some of those being accused and turn the light elsewhere.<BR/><BR/>It is good to know that the Kaiwhakahaere has finally admitted to his base payment. Of course, that isn't all he receives but at $155,000, he still receives more than the combined amount of the Murihiku rūnanga and only $55,000 less than all the rūnanga south of the Waitaki.<BR/><BR/>I am sure the whanau are pleased that we remunerate people adequately however when they are choosing whether to put on the heater or buy cheese instead of Marmite they might question whether such a large sum is appropriate.<BR/><BR/>Finally, if the governance review is as critical of the Te Rūnanga o Ngāi Tahu table and the Kaiwhakahaere as the previous review is reputed to have been, will it ever see the light of day, let alone be acted upon?<BR/><BR/>There has been enough internal navel gazing already to have resolved many of the issues had there been good will from ALL. I look forward to the 'leadership' showing the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686354713190138224.post-49027305113451471862009-03-10T15:38:00.000+13:002009-03-10T15:38:00.000+13:00BB You just beat me to it.I was about to publish t...BB You just beat me to it.I was about to publish the same A good helpful document<BR/>Richard ParataAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com